I have continuously written articles and spoken out in interviews about the practice of “selling” debt settlement. Selling someone into debt settlement is the number one reason the industry has been tarred and feathered in the media. The over hyped selling by profiteers and sales groups has resulted in enforcement actions by many states, and new FTC rules, in order to curb abuse.

DEBT SETTLEMENT SHOULD NOT BE SOLD!

Steve Rhode, on his blog, getoutofdebt.org, regularly covers the debt relief industry and its foul ups, bleeps and plunderers. He has recently covered several lawsuits filed by employees against the firms they sell/sold debt settlement for. The lawsuits allege failure to pay wages related to work performed. Steve has posted about lawsuits against: Lloyd Ward and Associates, ABC Debt Relief, The Debt Answer, Debt RX USA, Silverleaf Debt Solutions, CreditAnswers, and Credit Solutions of America. Key assertions in these lawsuits provide a clear view into the sales culture at some of these companies. I will focus on Steve’s post about the employee suit against Credit Solutions. Credit Solutions are also the target of multiple state legal actions.

From Steve’s post where he excerpts from the court record (my comments are in bold):

For at least three years prior to filing of this complaint and continuing (hereinafter “Liability Period”), CSA had a policy and practice of not correctly compensating its debt consultants for work performed for the benefit of CSA over and above forty (40) hours per week, to wit: virtually all debt consultants received a $2,000 forgivable draw their first 90 days of employment and a non forgivable draw of $2,000 per month thereafter. Debt consultants qualified debtors for debt settlement plans of Defendant by verifying the debtor possessed at least $10,000 in debt. Next debt consultants analyzed each creditor comprising the $10,000 is owed at least $600 and there are contracts in place between the creditor and CSA. The debt consultant sets up a CSA account for each creditor. Lastly, the debt consultant verified the debtor’s bank accounts and assisted the debtor in picking a payment plan. Once a plan was chosen the debt consultant, using CSA guidelines, would set up a monthly draft on the debtor’s bank account whereby CSA would obtain its fee and moneys to satisfy the debtor’s creditors. Eighty-five percent (85%) of CSA’s fee is collected from debtors’ accounts within the first 90 days. Debt consultants received a fee from the first monthly draft which was a percentage determined on the total volume of draft’s occurring monthly attributable to that debt consultant.

Here we learn that “debt consultants” are what I would more correctly define as sales people. The way this alleged fact is laid out would actually describe more of an order taker. What do they actually do by way of a consultation? It appears they just hit the immediate qualifiers, and then help you pick a payment option that will work for you. There is an obvious motivation for “picking” a payment that you will agree to. That is how they get paid! They have to do it though (more on this below).

Debt consultants were required to work a minimum of 12 hours per day, but were expected to work as many hours as necessary to reach assigned sales goals. Debt consultants regularly worked 14-16 hours a day and CSA provided debt consultants a room to nap and sleep when necessary to reach company goals.

Imagine the pressure to hit sales goals. In the current job market, these sales people HAD to perform to keep the job. They HAD to hit sales goals even if it meant sleeping at HQ to do it! No pressure, right?

Debt consultants were not provided a rest or lunch break, but instead, CSA served debt consultants “cup of noodles” for lunch so they would not have to leave their desk and could continuing selling the debt settlement services.

This allegation is one of the most descriptive of the debt settlement sales culture I have ever seen. Why not just put a shackle from the desk to the ankle of the sales person? Were there bed pans nearby?

Debt consultants worked six (6) days a week.

Ever see Ben Affleck in the movie “Boiler Room”? “ALWAYS BE CLOSING” – The sale that is.

As stated above, debt consultants do not receive overtime for hours worked over 40 in any week.

And why should they? You think cups of noodles are free?

CSA’s revised compensation/bonus plan containing an overtime component does not correctly calculate debt consultants’ regular rate of pay for purposes of calculating overtime; i.e. commissions paid on top of consultants’ hourly rate are not included in their regular rate of pay. – Source

Other than the outright lies that are told, there is no single more frustrating fact about the selling of a debt settlement service than the pick a payment plan approach. It is sold that way because it has to be. A consumer who is struggling to pay their creditors the required monthly minimum is focused on the dollar amount they cannot come up with. When a debt settlement sales person suggests all you need is to establish a monthly dollar figure that you can do, the hook is set!

Imagine if the sales people at Credit Solutions actually shared the TRUTH of the matter with you. If they told you that in order to be successful with settling your delinquent accounts, you are in a race. You have to come up with the money to fund offers as fast as possible. You would not feel the sigh of relief that is purposefully designed into the sales approach by the majority of people selling debt settlement.  Instead, your heart would palpitate. You would know that debt settlement is a tough choice, not an easy one. You would have a much clearer idea if debt settlement is even right for you. The sales person for CSA would not close as many sales. Do you think they would ever get to go home?

Don’t consult with a sales person offering debt relief!

If you are asked what you can come up with each month to put toward settlement, or someone “helps” you come up with a figure they are confident you will bite on, you are talking to someone offering “pick-a-pay”. Pick-a-Pay is a suitability test that everyone will pass. Using this approach means virtually any one breathing will qualify for debt settlement. That is, and has been, absurd (absurdly profitable that is).

Look to speak with someone who actually works with consumers and their creditors/collectors on a daily basis. If they have any experience and are what I would consider a responsible service provider, they will TELL you the amount of money you will need to come up with, and how quickly, in order to SUCCEED with settlement in your particular situation. Armed with this knowledge, you will then be able to evaluate whether or not filing bankruptcy would be the better choice.

You can speak with just such an expert by scheduling a consultation with a CRN negotiator. All CRN consults are conducted by people who, every day, actually settle debt or provide detailed information to CRN members on how to settle their own. There is no one more prepared to provide you the necessary details about how this approach will apply to your unique set of circumstances.

For more on how debt settlement is inappropriately SOLD, read:

• Dude Meets Debt Wall
• Shocking Eye Witness Debt Settlement Report
• Debt Settlement Marketing: The Gist, The Juice, and the Lies

Well… maybe shocking to some.

I do not often post on consults I do. This one from about six weeks ago provides both warning and sound advice.

A gentleman in Indiana called in to the toll free line here at Consumer Recovery Network after hitting our website while researching debt settlement. I answered the call and proceeded down a list of general things I ask during a typical debt consultation.

He had already spoken to a representative of a NY law firm after hearing a radio commercial advertising services to reduce debt. He felt he had a pretty good foundation of what settlement was. As I started to lay out some facts about debt settlement, he started to lay out a little confusion. His confusion is a direct result of things that were not covered in his consult with the representative of the law firm.

The end result of the consult I did was that he now knew about the knock on effects of settlement and that it should only be considered as an alternative to bankruptcy. He recognized he was not close to bankruptcy, but did have a need to get out of debt. During the consult he recognized he could quickly sell 2 cars he was not using for under blue book and pay off his credit cards.

I heard from him the next day.

Being the considerate type, he had called the law firm rep after speaking with me, to inform him he would not need to enroll in his program. The rep (obviously the consummate closer) tried to overcome his objections and continue to sell him on settlement.

He told the rep that he did not want late payments reported on his credit report for the next 7 years. The rep told him “Oh, that’s only for corporations”!

He told the rep that he was not willing to risk being sued. The reps response was “Well… I suppose it could happen, but you would be the first”!

First what? First person the rep lied to that day? This guy exemplifies what is wrong in the industry! He should be answering his telephone with “Thank you for calling the Bib-N-Fib. Can I take your order?”

I could tell my car selling buddy thought I would be shocked to hear that someone was so willing to deceive in order to make a buck. Instead, I shocked him when I informed him it came as no surprise at all. I did tell him that I was highly skeptical that the representative that he was speaking with was an actual employee of the law firm. The rep was likely just a sales guy at a call center where callers from radio and TV ads are funneled, and whose only purpose is to sell callers on settlement so they can get paid a commission. Even if they have to lie, omit or deceive to do it!

I don’t think car guy would have gotten the same nonsense if he called the law firm directly.

The point of this article:

Consumers should only speak to the actual service provider they would work with. Any middle man has one motivation and that is the commission. Some are far more artful in their selling techniques than who car guy talked to (let’s hope most), but why would you need to speak with anyone other than who you are going to work with? You wouldn’t.

If you are looking into bankruptcy and have a consultation (do more than 1), you are speaking to the attorney or an employee of the firm on their direct telephone line or standing in the office.

If you are looking into a debt management plan offered through consumer credit counseling, you are speaking to the counselor or an employee of the agency on their direct telephone line or standing in the office.

Why in the world should you look into a settlement company any other way? You shouldn’t.

There are thousands of places on the internet offering a consultation to see how they can help you get out of debt. There is a daily bombarding of radio and television commercials offering debt help. The vast majority have no direct connection to the company that will actually be providing you a product or service.

If you hear from whom ever you are speaking to that they are going to “refer” you to the best, most reputable this that or the other thing, your talking to a sales guy. He or she gets paid by selling to you and will not be working with you after you start. They often have no accountability to the actual service provider.

ALWAYS start at the source!

I cannot identify one exception to this. Can you?

Settlement with creditors is a great way to deal with debt when you are unable to maintain consistent payments. It is however, not a cake walk, though many in my industry will sell it as such.

This post was inspired by a consult I did this morning with a gentleman in Pennsylvania looking at settlement as an approach to dealing with his unmanageable debt. He wondered onto our website while searching out his options, after having already consulted with another company in the industry.

His unsecured debt totaled $22,000, spread out over 7 accounts. His minimum payments are just over $900.00 a month. His interest rates on most of the accounts are over 20%. That is what’s killing him. He would be able to meet minimums, but for the higher interest, and likely be very successful using an aggressive debt rollup, or debt snowball strategy, to get out of debt quickly and unscathed. His plight, when outlined to creditors, has thus far resulted in “Dude meets wall”.

The company he consulted with prior to me outlined a 36 month program where he could pay into an account roughly 300.00 for 36 months and poof, his debt is gone. Never mind that $3300 of that money set aside over that time will go to the settlement companies fees, I’ll get to that in a moment. The sales person with whom he consulted is selling rainbows and unicorns for a commission. The 36 month plan for his situation is ridiculous for some of the following reasons.

Two of the accounts we discussed have balances of about $1000.00 and another one for $1500.00. Enrolling these accounts in a plan like this, unless they are the first ones settled (even then not advisable, unless left with no choice) is futile and silly. The math doesn’t work. Optimum balance reduction through settlement only happens when you are delinquent, often very delinquent (5 months or more). When you stop paying, default interest rates of 29-32% will be applied, late payments will be assessed, all of which could result, in some cases, in over limit fees being tacked on. Depending on when settlement is reached the amount of the debt could now be double. Can the debt be settled? Absolutely, but using 50% savings as an example, what did you actually save? Nothing, or close enough to nothing to prove that the math doesn’t work.

What if we take these 3 smaller accounts out of the equation? We are now working on $18,000. By aggressively saving and setting aside every penny, this family could be out of debt in less than 12 months and limit to near nonexistent, the risk of being sued on unpaid debt.

Now, I was completely upfront with this consumer about the way I saw his situation and perhaps he appreciates the candor and becomes a member. Perhaps the other consult he had sounded more appealing, with its 36 months, low (too low) payment to his savings for settlement and easier sounding approach. He will pay the typical fee in this industry, which by their very nature is harmful to the settlement process. The sales person will make his commission (some cases I have seen, commissions are in excess of 70% of client fee) for selling rainbows and unicorns.

He may ultimately be out of debt in 36 months, but it will have been a very long 36 months, and he will have paid too much, experienced too much grief, may be sued on one or more accounts and may miss out on strategies that could have been beneficial to recover his credit standing much faster (this is whole different topic for another post).

Moral to this post: Don’t buy into rainbows and unicorns unless you are into paying a salesman’s bills when you can’t afford your own. The settlement industries frontline is, for the most part, populated by sales people motivated by commissions. Rarely do you find a place where you can consult with, and talk to an experienced debt specialist on first contact, prior to forking over any fees and whose motivation is your success, not your money.

If you have hit the debt wall and want to learn about all of your debt management options, including debt settlement, visit Consumer Recovery Network. While you’re there, learn about becoming a member of Consumer Recovery Network (CRN), with no risk to you, and find out if you should pursue debt negotiation.

By: Michael Bovee
CRN President

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