Debt Help Hotline

Having worked in the debt and credit relief industry for as long as I have has helped me to form relationships with other like minded professionals. It is because of those relationships, that after shutting down CRN’s debt relief coaching and professional debt negotiation services, I get to continue working with cool people, while continuing to help folks with debt and credit struggles get informed, and not just here on the CRN site.

There are some truly awesome people out there making the world a better place for consumers. Few are dedicated to publishing educational tools and helpful debt guides like Steve Rhode on his site

I have been an active contributor at the Get Out Of Debt site since I met Steve through a mutual industry friend. And starting November 2014, I will begin actively managing the debt relief hotline published there.

Like minded debt and credit professionals can contact me.

If you are involved in the debt relief services industry, and have an interest in the debt relief hotline published here, or on the GOOD site (get it… the initials for GetOutOfDebt…), fill out the contact box you see below. Be sure to include any pertinent details about your interest in the hotline.

Couple of things before you contact me:

  • I am critical of most things debt relief services.
  • I am beyond committed to, and probably commit-table, regarding my passion for providing detailed education and information to people with debt and credit problems.
  • I realized after some time, and even frustration, that most people want to hire someone, or buy a product, to resolve their problems. Not everyone’s a DIY debt relief-er.
  • People generally need, and benefit from,  getting individually informed and educated about how to solve debt and credit issues.

All of the companies involved in the debt relief hotlines, where I play a part, are involved in helping people through debt and credit triage situations. Legitimate companies and professionals helping the debt trodden will generally be credit counseling agencies, bankruptcy attorneys, and debt negotiation experts. Why?

Callers are looking for help to manage bills they can no longer continue to pay, or have stopped paying, according to the original terms.

I have long preferred people use a process of elimination for what type of help they need, and the path they will choose, to deal with overwhelming debt. While over simplified that process looks like….

Understand your monthly income and expenses to determine the debt help you need.

  • Can you afford your bills with some not so overly painful adjustments?
  • Can you afford a credit counselors debt management plan to get out of unsecured debts, and is your income stable enough to support that approach?
  • Can you file chapter 7 bankruptcy in your state, and without that decision leading to the sale of nonexempt items that could be sold without bankruptcy, and using those resources to resolve debts?
  • Can you negotiate and settle your debts inside a shorter window of time than a chapter 13 bankruptcy repayment plan?

That process of elimination is why many callers to the debt relief hotline will start at the top of this decision tree.

Get Involved.

The backbone technology and connectivity platform for the hotlines are provided through Peregrin. Costs to participants are affordable, and implementation simple.

If you are interested in participating in any of the projects I work on to help consumers, be sure what you do fits within the basic framework outlined above.

I am committed to helping build a better financial future for consumers, and the companies who work with them. And I look forward to connecting with more like minded debt and credit professionals.

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CRN ceased offering our paid membership program in June of 2013. We wanted to keep our focus on the educational mission we started CRN with back in 2004, and chose to continue those efforts through publishing. We considered charging nominal fees through a pay wall for access to all of our self help guides, and ongoing specialized feedback, but ultimately opted not to charge any fees for access. But we still needed a viable way to fund our educational efforts.  We chose to seek out sponsors.

Why sponsors work with CRN?

CRN has a unique history in the debt relief markets. We never fit in with the majority of our peers in the debt settlement side of the industry. And our efforts, that begin and end with consumer education and awareness, have been more akin to that of a nonprofit counseling agency, but we have never been structured as a nonprofit.

Regardless of our unique perspective on the debt relief markets, and how we have, or have not fit in the last 10 years, this site is recognized for its helpful and informative content. There are companies and individuals who recognize the efforts and commitment CRN has brought to the table to assist consumers searching for debt help.

Sponsors of this site care about what we care about: Helping to educate and inform people struggling with debt and credit issues.

Who sponsors our education guides?

Anyone interested in sponsoring the site can contact me (Michael Bovee) at

Current debt relief services sponsors are:

Since 1958, Money Management International (MMI) has helped millions of people take the steps necessary to repay their debts, reestablish their credit, and manage their finances wisely. Through community education programs, counseling services, and online resources, MMI is dedicated to providing consumers and clients with valuable information on money management and how to use credit wisely. They are the largest nonprofit, full-service credit counseling organization in the nation with branch offices throughout the country.

Readers of this site are encouraged to reach out and speak with a credit counseling agency like MMI when they need help with establishing a budget, negotiating with creditors, avoiding home foreclosure, or repaying student loans.

You can talk with an MMI certified counselor at: 877-721-9723




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Get out of debt help and the fine print

Disclosures If You Need Debt Help – How Important Are They?

Very, but those doing the disclosing are not really delivering with the little information they give. People and companies providing debt help to struggling consumers are prone to help themselves first.

When a person is struggling with debt and looking for outside help from a company or person, they should certainly have risks and rewards disclosed to them. Ideally, the disclosures would help a person to best evaluate which direction to take for help, and who to trust. A recent article by Elisabeth Rosenthal in the NYT: I Disclose… Nothing helps to underscore what I find to be the biggest shortcoming of disclosures in the market for debt help - No context.

From NYT article linked above:

“… disclosure laws — meant to elucidate — do not necessarily lead to greater transparency or prevent the things they were meant to deter.”

One or two sentence disclosures rarely do. Disclosures about the affects of a debt help option to ones credit score are a good example.

Credit counseling services and debt settlement companies offering legitimate services will disclose that there will be an impact to credit scores.

Both debt settlement and credit counseling will have an impact to your credit profile and access to credit, but in different ways. If a consumer is hyper concerned about her credit score and credit report, but unable to pay the minimum monthly amount due on her Citi card, she may be more prone to try to avoid bankruptcy with credit counseling, than by opting for debt settlement. In this way, one would think disclosures about the impact to credit that this consumer read or heard – performed exactly as meant to. Nope.

The problem debt she has is a $17,000.00 balance with an interest rate of over 20%. A credit counselor offering a monthly payment of 357.00 sounds better than the 500.00 plus she cannot afford now, but the 357.00 monthly payments are going to be a stretch too. She enrolls in the DMP and scrambles up the 357.00 each month only to miss a payment in month 8.  She finds herself unable to get back on track the following month. The account was closed by the creditor when she enrolled in the debt management plan, she now has a 30 and 60 day late pay reporting, and she blew through 2500.00 in payments toward a solution she was not going to succeed with. That 2500.00 would have more than covered the cost of a chapter 7 bankruptcy that she was qualified to file. And, as it turns out, that 2500.00 was enough to settle the account with card services in month 7 after she fell off the DMP.

The messaging from credit counselors, the media and societal conditioning placed too high of importance on the wrong thing. Not just in this woman’s case, but likely in millions of cases. Her issue was debt she could no longer afford to pay. Not her credit score. Her score will bounce back from the settlement event in about the same amount of time it would have had she filed for chapter 7.

Disclosures made when she was originally trying to get a grip on her options lacked the detail needed for her to make a fully informed decision. The disclosures about credit impacts are often used as a bias forming selling point to the detriment of the individual relying on professional feedback. The lack of fully fleshed out disclosure details is not a mistake by omission. It is a purposeful strategy. One that is not just costly to the consumer in financial trouble, but to local communities and our national economy.

More from the NYT piece linked above:

“One fundamental problem is that disclosure requirements merely get information onto the table, but themselves demand no further action. According to political theory, disclosure is both a citizen’s right and a tool to ensure good government and consumer protection, because it provides information that leads to informed decisions. Instead, disclosure has often become an endpoint in the chain of responsibility, an act of compliance with the letter of the law rather than the spirit of transparency.”

A good example of this would be companies offering debt settlement disclosing the fact that nonpayment to creditors could result in being sued by the creditor or a debt collector in their attempt to get paid.

That lawsuit may result in judgment which could result in bank account levy or wage garnishment. A consumer given this disclosure is now informed of a known risk. The company making this disclosure can feel that they covered their own butt because the risk was plainly stated to the customer in advance. However, if any real context were provided to the consumer about this known risk, it would involve much more detail – detail that cannot fit into a tidy paragraph or three, let alone one sentence. Being sued by a creditor IS a real risk. Do debt settlement companies and those who promote them state plainly that the risk of being sued increases the longer debts remain unpaid? Most don’t go into that type of detail as it would scare off a consumer from beginning the savings and settlement plan.

The kind of detail a consumer deserves to know on this critical disclosure is not provided because it would often lead to the consumer opting for bankruptcy where they are protected from collection law suits, or electing to gut out the repayment plan in a DMP over 4 to 5 years. Here again, the failure to provide consumers the type of debt help advise and the disclosure needed, that allows them to make informed and appropriate decisions, are a purposeful act of omission tied to a company or persons revenue goals.

More from the NYT article:

“Many disclosure programs today cloud rather than clarify a particular situation. As disclosure statements have become more numerous and more complicated, “consumers just ignore them or don’t understand what they say,” said Jeff Sovern, an expert in consumer law at St. John’s University.”

The type of disclosure context needed that provides an individual seeking debt relief a meaningful grasp of the issues they face; that educates and informs to the degree that would maximize awareness of the wrong and right steps to take; how to evaluate the immediate need for relief alongside concerns for ones future success and goals; that applies disclosures to the unique circumstances of the relief seeker – is simply not provided in the main by those offering alternatives to bankruptcy.

“While regulators and consumers see disclosure as a way to improve transparency, companies often regard it as a risk-management strategy. “Often the goal of disclosure is to reduce or eliminate the legal risk,” Dr. Weinfurt said. “It is so they can say, ‘Hey we told you so.’ ”

When it comes to the debt help industry, companies and people provide disclosures in order to meet a minimum standard and to limit their own liability.

Any substantive and informative discussion around disclosures to debt help seeking customers that allows them to truly weigh and measure how the facts disclosed apply to them at the moment and on a forward looking basis, typically never happens. If meaningful discussion about key disclosures does occur, it would most likely be down the line when a disclosure item is triggered and after irreversible action steps in debt relief have been taken. This is where most of the headaches for debt help customers and companies offering debt help occur. Unhappy customers who were not fully aware of the implications of the decisions they were making at the time they enrolled in a debt help plan. Customers of debt management & debt settlement plans may want to place blame on a service provider when things don’t go as planned. The service provider will want to point to a disclosure and say, “we told you this at the beginning”.

The consumer seeking debt help is not shopping for a toaster oven. Companies and individuals representing they can help someone in need are selling something. That something is not as benign as describing the convection cooking features of a counter top oven. The responsibility debt relief service providers have to inform and educate the consumers they come in contact with cannot be underscored enough.

A friend of mine started a unique consulting service a couple years ago. He provides paid consultations with consumers in order to help them understand the debt help options available to them. He does not provide settlement, debt management or bankruptcy services. What does he do? He provides detailed debt help disclosures as they relate to the individuals set of circumstances that are not readily provided to consumers in any meaningful way by the companies who DO provide the services. He fills a niche that should not even exist, but it does, and will remain until disclosure gaps are filled with useful information, consumer education, and side by side comparisons.

There are tools and solutions available to legitimate service providers that can fill the disclosure gap. CRN offers educational tools and training to the debt help industry along side the products and services we provide direct to consumers in need of debt help. We provide more detail about all of the debt relief implications than anyone else because we are not financially tied to the path you choose for debt help. We are committed to providing the details that help you make good decisions right now and in the future. We provide this at a lower cost than currently can be found anywhere else.

Want to get fully informed? Would you like to work with a company that provides debt help and a satisfaction guarantee? Consider enrolling in CRN’s membership program.

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